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CBR650R 2019
- Thread starter Erep
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Be awsome if it’s true!!! Great looking bike 👍
- May 21, 2016
Heavy Metal makes all product announcements soooo much better 🤘🏻
- May 18, 2017
Can't find a second source confirming this. Chalking it up to pure speculation at this point. When the CB650R was announced, the media we're all over it.
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At the the moment I think it's only a 3d model published in a Japanese magazine :/
https://young-machine.com/2018/10/23/15285/
https://young-machine.com/2018/10/23/15285/
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- May 18, 2017
Oh shit yea, that's very nice.
I am somehow disappointed they went for the dual headlight instead of the single one the CBR650F has now. Pretty much all sportsbikes (except the Gixxers) have two headlights these days. It's almost like they wanted to merge the 500R and 1000RR in terms of looks. It does make the bike look real fast and aggressive but I feel it loses a bit of it's personality and looks a bit generic.
Not surprised about the quickshifter and upside down forks upgrades. Pretty much all the competition has those.
I wonder if they're giving it a performance boost and what the weight will be. Guess the latter won't be that different but it would be nice to see them bump the performance up to 105hp or so. Not that I'd need it, but it makes it easier marketable.
I am somehow disappointed they went for the dual headlight instead of the single one the CBR650F has now. Pretty much all sportsbikes (except the Gixxers) have two headlights these days. It's almost like they wanted to merge the 500R and 1000RR in terms of looks. It does make the bike look real fast and aggressive but I feel it loses a bit of it's personality and looks a bit generic.
Not surprised about the quickshifter and upside down forks upgrades. Pretty much all the competition has those.
I wonder if they're giving it a performance boost and what the weight will be. Guess the latter won't be that different but it would be nice to see them bump the performance up to 105hp or so. Not that I'd need it, but it makes it easier marketable.
- May 18, 2017
Some numbers and facts:
- 5% power increase at peak (so I guess that means ~95hp, which incidentally is pretty much the max they can do to keep it A2 compatible).
- 6kg weight reduction to 207kg (swingarm alone is 1.9kg lighter).
- Higher rev limit at 12,000rpm.
- Improved torque curve (64Nm @ 8500rpm).
- Double inlets, one on each side of the fuel tank. Delivers a deeper intake growl.
- Larger exhaust diameter (38.1mm instead of 35mm) and it's slightly angled upwards so the rider hears more of the exhaust note.
- Changed compression ratio (11.6:1 instead of 11.4:1) for improved performance.
- Iridium spark plugs.
- Comes with slipper clutch.
- Quickshifter appears to be an optional extra.
- HSTC (Honda Selectable Torque Control) is Honda's traction control system, which can be disabled.
- 15.4 liter fuel tank (fuel efficiency quoted at 1L for 20,4 km / 4.9L for 100km, giving the bike a range of 300km).
- Clip ons moved forward 30mm.
- Footpegs 3mm to the back and 6mm upward.
- Brake calipers mounted radially.
- LCD screen shows gear indicator.
In The Netherlands it will be available in red (seen above) and in gunpowder black. Not sure if there will be other color options in other countries.
- 5% power increase at peak (so I guess that means ~95hp, which incidentally is pretty much the max they can do to keep it A2 compatible).
- 6kg weight reduction to 207kg (swingarm alone is 1.9kg lighter).
- Higher rev limit at 12,000rpm.
- Improved torque curve (64Nm @ 8500rpm).
- Double inlets, one on each side of the fuel tank. Delivers a deeper intake growl.
- Larger exhaust diameter (38.1mm instead of 35mm) and it's slightly angled upwards so the rider hears more of the exhaust note.
- Changed compression ratio (11.6:1 instead of 11.4:1) for improved performance.
- Iridium spark plugs.
- Comes with slipper clutch.
- Quickshifter appears to be an optional extra.
- HSTC (Honda Selectable Torque Control) is Honda's traction control system, which can be disabled.
- 15.4 liter fuel tank (fuel efficiency quoted at 1L for 20,4 km / 4.9L for 100km, giving the bike a range of 300km).
- Clip ons moved forward 30mm.
- Footpegs 3mm to the back and 6mm upward.
- Brake calipers mounted radially.
- LCD screen shows gear indicator.
In The Netherlands it will be available in red (seen above) and in gunpowder black. Not sure if there will be other color options in other countries.
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Nice!!! Looks like a proper sports bike and finally addresses thing like the forks, banana seat, slipper clutch, quick shifter and dash that have been plaguing it since the introduction. It’s what they should have done with the bike from the beginning, in my opinion.
But don’t be fooled by the inverted forks, they can be made just as generic and only OK as conventional forks are. They don’t look like they preload adjustable, at least nit that I saw. The brakes are radial but look low spec, non-mono block, the rear looks very much like original bike, even the red taillight and the A2 horsepower thing has to go, that bike BEGS for 115-120 hp.
It’s a step in the right direction, but my fear is too little, too late. Great looking bike, however.
Here’s hoping the sports market rebounds, I heard that every ‘19 Ducati got updated with cornering ABS except the Supersport because of lackluster sales. Sigh......
But don’t be fooled by the inverted forks, they can be made just as generic and only OK as conventional forks are. They don’t look like they preload adjustable, at least nit that I saw. The brakes are radial but look low spec, non-mono block, the rear looks very much like original bike, even the red taillight and the A2 horsepower thing has to go, that bike BEGS for 115-120 hp.
It’s a step in the right direction, but my fear is too little, too late. Great looking bike, however.
Here’s hoping the sports market rebounds, I heard that every ‘19 Ducati got updated with cornering ABS except the Supersport because of lackluster sales. Sigh......
- May 18, 2017
Upside down forks in general are a fad anyway. Besides the looks, it's not necessarily better than conventional forks. However, upside down forks have been hyped to such an extent that many people have been complaining about the 650F's lack of upside down forks. Honda would've been better off to get USD forks earlier on. Not for performance, but for marketing reasons.
I saw a Dutch website mention 95.2hp, so no surprise there. I'm not sure what to think about the horsepower figures though. Having a 120hp bike sounds great on paper, but in reality, few people need it when compared to the 95 the 650R will offer. However, again, it's about market perception. If you've got a brand new ZX-6R with a 636cc engine delivering 130hp, a 649cc engine delivering only 95 immediately shoves the 650R into a "not really a race bike" category. And if you're looking for "not really a race bike" then you're probably looking in the naked segment anyway. Alternatively, they could've done what Kawasaki did with the Z900, which is having a separate 35kW version. But then again, compared to the CBR650F, the Z900 probably sold like hotcakes warranting a move like that.
The Ducati Supersport not selling as well as hoped doesn't suprise me either. It falls a bit in the same in-between category as the CBR650F. It's not exactly a Panigale so it feels too much like, with all respect, its slightly incapable little brother. Totally unwarranted of course, but that's market perception for you. The fact that a Supersport S is only $2000 cheaper than a Panigale 959 doesn't help either. Add to that the fact that not everyone was entirely charmed by the Supersport's looks and you've got yourself a cocktail that's a blend of sub-optimal ingredients.
I saw a Dutch website mention 95.2hp, so no surprise there. I'm not sure what to think about the horsepower figures though. Having a 120hp bike sounds great on paper, but in reality, few people need it when compared to the 95 the 650R will offer. However, again, it's about market perception. If you've got a brand new ZX-6R with a 636cc engine delivering 130hp, a 649cc engine delivering only 95 immediately shoves the 650R into a "not really a race bike" category. And if you're looking for "not really a race bike" then you're probably looking in the naked segment anyway. Alternatively, they could've done what Kawasaki did with the Z900, which is having a separate 35kW version. But then again, compared to the CBR650F, the Z900 probably sold like hotcakes warranting a move like that.
The Ducati Supersport not selling as well as hoped doesn't suprise me either. It falls a bit in the same in-between category as the CBR650F. It's not exactly a Panigale so it feels too much like, with all respect, its slightly incapable little brother. Totally unwarranted of course, but that's market perception for you. The fact that a Supersport S is only $2000 cheaper than a Panigale 959 doesn't help either. Add to that the fact that not everyone was entirely charmed by the Supersport's looks and you've got yourself a cocktail that's a blend of sub-optimal ingredients.
- May 21, 2016
I agree with
@miweber929 above on his assessment. Pretty much all the mods we have done are to get closer to this mark, especially suspension and exhaust.. Any idea on pricing?
@miweber929 above on his assessment. Pretty much all the mods we have done are to get closer to this mark, especially suspension and exhaust.. Any idea on pricing?
I am amazed. So much things changed in a positive way. And yes, you are right, probably that´s the way it should have been from the beginning.
Power is perfect for A2 people, nothing crazy, nothing slow. Less weight is always good.
If you can equip it with a quick shifter I think most people will be happy with the features it offers. And even if they only turned and painted the fork people will finally be happy!
Nothing wrong with spicing up the seating position a little bit. Also they got rid of the old ladys couch and put a 2 piece seat on there. Let´s hope they´ll follow up with a nice seat cover that replaces the rear part.
And finally, those huge standard indicators are gone! The new ones look good and even I wouldn´t feel the instant need to change them.
Really like the new exhaust design, too.
Speaking of the overall design: For my taste it is epic. Maybe a bit too epic. It doesn´t look like it´s related to the old CBR650F at all. Which is good and bad. Good because it looks like a proper sports bike with agressive double headlights and great (imo) styling. Bad because - well it looks like a Junior Fireblade - and it still is not one of those!
Still, those actions will make the bike much more appealing to the young riders. A - in my opinion - very very important customer group. Piss them off now and you won´t sell many bikes to them later.
My biggest fear will be the price tag. May turn out to be the dealbreaker for many people - again!
ps: It looks like that rear light will be around for a few more years to stress out the rider´s temperament when cleaning the bike´s rear sector. Ouch!
I am curious what happens with the CB650F. If it gets discontinued there is not much choice left for people that don´t like that whole "Neo Sports" deal. Ouch!
Power is perfect for A2 people, nothing crazy, nothing slow. Less weight is always good.
If you can equip it with a quick shifter I think most people will be happy with the features it offers. And even if they only turned and painted the fork people will finally be happy!
Nothing wrong with spicing up the seating position a little bit. Also they got rid of the old ladys couch and put a 2 piece seat on there. Let´s hope they´ll follow up with a nice seat cover that replaces the rear part.
And finally, those huge standard indicators are gone! The new ones look good and even I wouldn´t feel the instant need to change them.
Really like the new exhaust design, too.
Speaking of the overall design: For my taste it is epic. Maybe a bit too epic. It doesn´t look like it´s related to the old CBR650F at all. Which is good and bad. Good because it looks like a proper sports bike with agressive double headlights and great (imo) styling. Bad because - well it looks like a Junior Fireblade - and it still is not one of those!
Still, those actions will make the bike much more appealing to the young riders. A - in my opinion - very very important customer group. Piss them off now and you won´t sell many bikes to them later.
My biggest fear will be the price tag. May turn out to be the dealbreaker for many people - again!
ps: It looks like that rear light will be around for a few more years to stress out the rider´s temperament when cleaning the bike´s rear sector. Ouch!
I am curious what happens with the CB650F. If it gets discontinued there is not much choice left for people that don´t like that whole "Neo Sports" deal. Ouch!
- May 18, 2017
CB650F is out, I think. They didn't continue the old CB1000R, CB300R and CB125R models either.
- Sep 5, 2018
I wonder how many parts are interchangeable between the F and R. I'd love to steal the front end of that bike.
And the lightweight swing arm 😁
Here what it looks like in thailand.
https://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topi...81107-1407&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=news
https://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topi...81107-1407&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=news
- May 18, 2017
That's actually the CB650R, not the CBR650R
The ‘19 R stuff (300, 500, 650) is up on the US site with a $TBD price. I hate to say it but I’m afraid if they are still working out pricing this late in the year it’s going to be too freaking high again and they’ll miss the mark.
Looking at the press photos, the fork is non adjustable and looks to be a VERY basic inverted model. Other than looks I don’t see a person gaining much from a swap and it would seem Ohlins will need to get even more money to make the bike ride and handle like a proper sports bike should since it will be a cartridge swap and OEM Honda adjustable caps from another model won’t just screw on. The dash looks cool, though.
Closer, Honda, closer, but still missing the mark. To charge a premium price you have to have a premium product with features to get you AHEAD of the pack, not just to the starting line with everyone else.
Looking at the press photos, the fork is non adjustable and looks to be a VERY basic inverted model. Other than looks I don’t see a person gaining much from a swap and it would seem Ohlins will need to get even more money to make the bike ride and handle like a proper sports bike should since it will be a cartridge swap and OEM Honda adjustable caps from another model won’t just screw on. The dash looks cool, though.
Closer, Honda, closer, but still missing the mark. To charge a premium price you have to have a premium product with features to get you AHEAD of the pack, not just to the starting line with everyone else.