Peter B
MotoGP
- Sep 5, 2017
Is there a specific Tail Tidy for the 2018 CB650F or just a generic one that would fit?
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2018 CBR650 and CB650
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Jonathan
Amateur
- Jul 27, 2017
I have an R&G one. Looks really nice on.
Peter B
MotoGP
- Sep 5, 2017
Yes, I heard it was coming to North America in August so I made a down payment and the dealer said I got the first one in Atlantic Canada. I've ordered a rear seat cowl but can anyone recommend something to replace the tail?
Peter B
MotoGP
- Sep 5, 2017
Do you have the R&G part #?
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- #25
- Feb 6, 2015
Great looking bike Peter. Have fun breaking it in before a typical Maritime winter!
- May 16, 2017
I think Hondas are pre run in to some extent before you buy them from the factory.I was told on my last new Honda 400 miles then ride it like you stole it.
- May 3, 2015
not pre run in. most engines are run to be sure they work and that they meet the legal requirements for their various markets.
No one runs in a Demo, and yet they still get full warranty.
Not every one uses the baby the bike approach to run in. Triumph was some of the most retentive instructions about a decade ago. 1st 500km was to be below 4000rpm. and yet still not hold a constant RPM. FFS. at least they have updated their information, but still talk to much.
From the manual.
During the first 500 km (300 miles) of running,
follow these guidelines to ensure your
motorcycle’s future reliability and performance.
● Avoid full-throttle starts and rapid
acceleration.
● Avoid hard braking and rapid down-shifts.
● Ride conservatively.
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Triumph Daytona 675 and street triple, for comparison.
During the first 500 miles (800 kilometres):
• Do not use full throttle.
• Avoid high engine speeds at all times.
• Avoid riding at one constant engine speed, whether fast or slow, for a long period of time.
• Avoid aggressive starts, stops, and rapid accelerations, except in an emergency. (Same)
• Do not ride at speeds greater than 3/4 of maximum engine speed.
Honda covers most of the stuff in the statement "Ride conservatively".
No one runs in a Demo, and yet they still get full warranty.
Not every one uses the baby the bike approach to run in. Triumph was some of the most retentive instructions about a decade ago. 1st 500km was to be below 4000rpm. and yet still not hold a constant RPM. FFS. at least they have updated their information, but still talk to much.
From the manual.
During the first 500 km (300 miles) of running,
follow these guidelines to ensure your
motorcycle’s future reliability and performance.
● Avoid full-throttle starts and rapid
acceleration.
● Avoid hard braking and rapid down-shifts.
● Ride conservatively.
---------------------------
Triumph Daytona 675 and street triple, for comparison.
During the first 500 miles (800 kilometres):
• Do not use full throttle.
• Avoid high engine speeds at all times.
• Avoid riding at one constant engine speed, whether fast or slow, for a long period of time.
• Avoid aggressive starts, stops, and rapid accelerations, except in an emergency. (Same)
• Do not ride at speeds greater than 3/4 of maximum engine speed.
Honda covers most of the stuff in the statement "Ride conservatively".
- May 16, 2017
I was told by Honda dealer that all engines are run on a dyno to some extent before fitment to the bike so I took that as being the case maybe its not. As you say demo bikes get a hard time and get a full warranty so maybe that is saying something of the quality and flexibility of these engines . It. takes at least 4000 miles to bed them in properly. I don't think you could run a brand spanking new engine on running in oil in a demo bike. ( interesting )
- May 3, 2015
I would expect the bike to be run in before 4000miles.
how many times does the ring need to slide up the cylinder before it's as good as it gets?
5000km and 100km/h is 50 hours of operation at 5000rpm.
that means the piston has performed 7.5 million compression and 7.5 million firings, with the same again for exhaust and induction.
30 million strokes.
1000km for run in seems quite enough. and a demo bike could be said to have had a hard run in.
for an example, with pictures, of what a hard run in is and what results it can get, check this link. it makes Honda run in look Moderate and old school run in look nanna like.
http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm
It's a long read but he doesn't rely on hearsay, he strips engines and inspects them. it's also a shame it looks like a 1980s conspiracy theorist web site.
how many times does the ring need to slide up the cylinder before it's as good as it gets?
5000km and 100km/h is 50 hours of operation at 5000rpm.
that means the piston has performed 7.5 million compression and 7.5 million firings, with the same again for exhaust and induction.
30 million strokes.
1000km for run in seems quite enough. and a demo bike could be said to have had a hard run in.
for an example, with pictures, of what a hard run in is and what results it can get, check this link. it makes Honda run in look Moderate and old school run in look nanna like.
http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm
It's a long read but he doesn't rely on hearsay, he strips engines and inspects them. it's also a shame it looks like a 1980s conspiracy theorist web site.
- May 3, 2015
to clarify, the dealer and the fact that the mechanic likely started their trade in the "old school" run in era, it's natural to appear conservative and give advice based on years of gentle run in.
this last decade has seen a change, as you can see by the Honda and Triumph run in info I gave earlier.
To provide balance I have linked to what many would find too extreme, or risky, given they have likely just put down a good wad of cash and don't want to destroy it.
At the least we can see that current run in is still quite moderate given progress in tolerance control and engineering consistency.
I'm not saying you should do hard run in, even if I am fine with it and had 2 demo bikes were run in as basically already done.
And I am not saying any mechanics do not know what they are talking about, just that they have priorities and experience that reinforce a gentler approach.
this last decade has seen a change, as you can see by the Honda and Triumph run in info I gave earlier.
To provide balance I have linked to what many would find too extreme, or risky, given they have likely just put down a good wad of cash and don't want to destroy it.
At the least we can see that current run in is still quite moderate given progress in tolerance control and engineering consistency.
I'm not saying you should do hard run in, even if I am fine with it and had 2 demo bikes were run in as basically already done.
And I am not saying any mechanics do not know what they are talking about, just that they have priorities and experience that reinforce a gentler approach.
- May 16, 2017
I think that guy is right on the money, even though as you say it is old school stuff. I think the principal is correct, and boy have we moved on with coatings and materials, also piston to bore tolerances are much tighter now, and indeed oil quality.
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- #32
- Feb 6, 2015
My 2014 CBR650F was a Demo with 1,000km on it and I'm sure it took a beating during that time. Knock on wood / touch steel, the bike is almost at 27,000km with absolutely no issues (besides the recall most of us had).
Whenever I have this discussion, I just go by the manual.
Opinions are like assholes... Everyone has one.
Agree with
@Duncan in that I don't automatically assume any are wrong. But I rely on the manual for literally everything from oil type down to individual bolt torque settings.
If I trust the manual to tell me proper chain tension and axle bolt tightness (with literally my life riding on those), why would I start looking elsewhere for guidance on break-in?
Opinions are like assholes... Everyone has one.
Agree with
@Duncan in that I don't automatically assume any are wrong. But I rely on the manual for literally everything from oil type down to individual bolt torque settings.If I trust the manual to tell me proper chain tension and axle bolt tightness (with literally my life riding on those), why would I start looking elsewhere for guidance on break-in?
Peter B
MotoGP
- Sep 5, 2017
That is an interesting read. I still only have less than 350kms in but as Motoman said, I couldn't resist opening it up a little. I've definitely done some quick accelerations and decelerations but haven't gone over 8000 RPMs as the dealer said not to go over 3/4 max until 1000kms and it red lines at 11000 RPMs. I'm inclined to believe in this "run it hard" break-in method so hopefully it's not too late.
The dealer did mention that a technician took it for a routine test drive and I wondered how hard he may have "tested" it, being a newly released model but I guess maybe he'd have been doing me a favor.
The dealer did mention that a technician took it for a routine test drive and I wondered how hard he may have "tested" it, being a newly released model but I guess maybe he'd have been doing me a favor.
- May 3, 2015
the engine has been around since 2014, the gearbox got alot of new ratios but the rest is the same.
8000rpm as a soft ceiling and inline with honda saying Ride conservatively.
My 2014 ex-Demo had 300km on it when I got it. I got a job the week before the 1000km service so could not book it in for 2 weeks and got it done at 2500km. its got it's 108,000km service this weekend.
8000rpm as a soft ceiling and inline with honda saying Ride conservatively.
My 2014 ex-Demo had 300km on it when I got it. I got a job the week before the 1000km service so could not book it in for 2 weeks and got it done at 2500km. its got it's 108,000km service this weekend.
- May 16, 2017
My 15 plate was a demo its as good as gold too, i think you would have to be without feelings to do major damage.
- May 16, 2017
If you have no issues at 108k then that's a tribute to your maintenance and Honda build quality. How many times have you had the valve clearance check.
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- #38
- Feb 6, 2015
108,000KM is absolutely impressive. Not just for the bike, but for Duncan as well.
I would take me years to put on that kind of mileage...
- May 3, 2015
Once, at 48k. I plan to pop the top off the engine over christmas when I have a bit more time. the local honda is also doing a $2 shim exchange. very nice. The mechanic asked if a thing was happening and it wasn't so I think they are still ok but i've had a bike go too long and closed valve clearances are their own special PITA.
Indeed Honda maintenance is going well, it's been oil and filter every 12k since the 12k service. this weekend will also see an air filter on it's 24k turnaround, and spark plugs (last done at about 60k).
- May 23, 2015
LP0152BK
I think it is this one you are looking for. Not sure if it fits all plate sizes.
If you want to keep the oem flashers there are not many models I think. I have the Yoshimura one (pn 070BG126500) but the plate doesnt fit between the mounting plate and bezel (metal frame over/around the plate) so I spotted holes on my plate and put it over the bezel. There is a thread about tail tidy on the forum you will see pictures of it there. If you dont want to cut the oem wire for the plate light, you can order one. I did that so my oem tail is still intact. You will have the info about that on the thread.
Hope this help