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All 650Rs R&g crash protectors for cbr650r issue

Vbrown21289

2020
CBR650R
Jul 22, 2020
Riding Since
2019
I have just recieved these crash protectors for my cbr, the fitting instructions say to not exceed 40nm of torque however the service manual says the torque setting for the bolt it is replacing is 49nm. Any suggestions as to what torque setting should be used here?
 

Cbat

2018
CBR650F ABS
May 13, 2018
Follow instructions, 40Nm. Likely different grade material than what service manual is referencing, different mechanical properties (i.e. yield).
 

Brammers

2014
CBR650F ABS
Staff
May 30, 2014
Hampshire, England
Riding Since
1993
If that's the single mount ones that fit on the engine bracket....take them off now, before you drop the bike.

There are multiple examples of the crash brung snapping the engine block and writing-off the bike.

That single bolt mount point is not designed to take side-impact loadings and will likely fail during a drop, causing more damage than the drop itself.

J
 

htkoca

2019
CB650R ABS
Apr 20, 2021
Toronto
Riding Since
2020
If that's the single mount ones that fit on the engine bracket....take them off now, before you drop the bike.

There are multiple examples of the crash brung snapping the engine block and writing-off the bike.

That single bolt mount point is not designed to take side-impact loadings and will likely fail during a drop, causing more damage than the drop itself.

J
Can you show us newbs an example of what you mean? I've looked a several variants of sliders but not sure what the engine bracket mount ones look like. Is it the same as the ones that mount onto the steel rod / pipe right behind the radiator?
 

miweber929

2014
CBR650F
650 Alumnus
Staff
Feb 13, 2015
Woodbury, MN
Riding Since
1975
Can you show us newbs an example of what you mean? I've looked a several variants of sliders but not sure what the engine bracket mount ones look like. Is it the same as the ones that mount onto the steel rod / pipe right behind the radiator?
No, those ones should be OK. You want to avoid the ones that mount behind the cylinder on the triangular engine mount.
 

trippy

2019
CB650R ABS
May 2, 2021
Riding Since
3000

Sudesh

2018
CBR650F ABS
650 Alumnus
Nov 21, 2017
Victoria, Australia
Riding Since
2010
Well ain't this a bitch... my bike has its R&G slider there! However l have been pushing that knowledge of a slider warping the frame and damaging the mount on the 650R since its launch. I had a red 650R probably a week after it was launched into Australia and on the 3rd week of owning it an individual brake checked me (they copped the insurance and some heavy court case for causing the accident on purpose), but ultimately when l emergency braked and the bike did a stoppie it landed hard on the left side. This left the frame bent from the impact force on the R&G slider and even stopping the seat and tank from sitting properly again! So l can't say this enough to not buy the R&G slider for the CBR!
 

Great.Lake.Cruiser

2020
CB650R ABS
May 18, 2021
Riding Since
2014
Well ain't this a bitch... my bike has its R&G slider there! However l have been pushing that knowledge of a slider warping the frame and damaging the mount on the 650R since its launch. I had a red 650R probably a week after it was launched into Australia and on the 3rd week of owning it an individual brake checked me (they copped the insurance and some heavy court case for causing the accident on purpose), but ultimately when l emergency braked and the bike did a stoppie it landed hard on the left side. This left the frame bent from the impact force on the R&G slider and even stopping the seat and tank from sitting properly again! So l can't say this enough to not buy the R&G slider for the CBR!
I've been looking at sliders but cannot imagine how they offer any drop protection. As their name implies they are for slides like a corner taken too fast at a track. I see them on almost every bike here and Instagram. Is it a case of bolting on anything that can be bought? I just don't get it.
 

Goblin

2019
CB650R ABS
Sep 2, 2019
I've been looking at sliders but cannot imagine how they offer any drop protection. As their name implies they are for slides like a corner taken too fast at a track. I see them on almost every bike here and Instagram. Is it a case of bolting on anything that can be bought? I just don't get it.
Yeah they give a small amount of protection. I got the Evotech Performance, but I know for sure if I drop the bike my handlebars, levers, mirrors are the first thing that will hit the ground. The only reason I put them on is hopefully to prevent a second damage on the tank and engine covers. But in all honesty I don’t expect a lot of them (just a mentally insurance)
 

miweber929

2014
CBR650F
650 Alumnus
Staff
Feb 13, 2015
Woodbury, MN
Riding Since
1975
As their name implies they are for slides like a corner taken too fast at a track.
The original “frame sliders” were in fact there to help a race bike survive a wreck on a track and allow you to keep racing way back when because they were low profile and you cut a hole in your bodywork to mount them. See Woodcraft sliders for examples. Then it became a fashion item and we are where we are today with most being extremely long to clear bodywork or mounted at a point on the bike that doesn’t involve cutting into your bodywork and are mostly there for show.

However there are some that mount solidly, and are in a place and a design that while they may not help you if you slide down the road (in fact many studies show they actually cause more damage in a wreck) they can help make a simple gas station or garage tip over something that you can walk away from with just scratched sliders. Many newer riders like them because tip overs are a part of learning, or if you are shorter they can help you feel more confident.

Whether you want them is your choice, but don’t get caught up on the name alone but instead what they can do. I personally don’t run them anymore but I did back in the day. Last ones I installed were Woodcraft on my ‘11 CBR600RR I bought new in ‘13 and drilled holes to mount them. Never used them, thankfully.
 

Great.Lake.Cruiser

2020
CB650R ABS
May 18, 2021
Riding Since
2014
The original “frame sliders” were in fact there to help a race bike survive a wreck on a track and allow you to keep racing way back when because they were low profile and you cut a hole in your bodywork to mount them. See Woodcraft sliders for examples. Then it became a fashion item and we are where we are today with most being extremely long to clear bodywork or mounted at a point on the bike that doesn’t involve cutting into your bodywork and are mostly there for show.

However there are some that mount solidly, and are in a place and a design that while they may not help you if you slide down the road (in fact many studies show they actually cause more damage in a wreck) they can help make a simple gas station or garage tip over something that you can walk away from with just scratched sliders. Many newer riders like them because tip overs are a part of learning, or if you are shorter they can help you feel more confident.

Whether you want them is your choice, but don’t get caught up on the name alone but instead what they can do. I personally don’t run them anymore but I did back in the day. Last ones I installed were Woodcraft on my ‘11 CBR600RR I bought new in ‘13 and drilled holes to mount them. Never used them, thankfully.
I picked up a 2020 CB650R new from the dealer this spring. It's my first non-1980s bike so readily available aftermarket parts are a new thing to me. Trying to navigate what's worth having and what's just unnecessary trend items.
 

Sudesh

2018
CBR650F ABS
650 Alumnus
Nov 21, 2017
Victoria, Australia
Riding Since
2010
I've been looking at sliders but cannot imagine how they offer any drop protection. As their name implies they are for slides like a corner taken too fast at a track. I see them on almost every bike here and Instagram. Is it a case of bolting on anything that can be bought? I just don't get it.

Just as good ol miweber929 @miweber929 stated they are technically designed for the slide. Hence the name sliders or aero sliders, not really made for the direct impact with the ground but the slide on the racetrack. I kept them purely for my track riding sessions but as l daily the 650 it becomes more and more nerve-racking the fact at any impact that could mean the end for this 650.
 

Wayne the brain

2018
CB650F
May 26, 2021
Riding Since
1981
The basic ones have been tested online in a slide lots of times, I've gone old school on mine and I'm confident they'll be okay.
I'm going TPFT on the insurance as I've so many machines that if I started claiming on Fully Comp' my premiums would rocket up so crash/slide protection is a must.
 

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deepakg198

2021
CB650R ABS
Apr 8, 2021
Riding Since
2021
The basic ones have been tested online in a slide lots of times, I've gone old school on mine and I'm confident they'll be okay.
I'm going TPFT on the insurance as I've so many machines that if I started claiming on Fully Comp' my premiums would rocket up so crash/slide protection is a must.
Wayne, how important are the front axle sliders ? I also have the engine slider very similar to yours, so wanted to check if the front axle one is necessary (I read that it protects the brake assembly). Also, do you have/recommend the handlebar sliders ?
 

Rafe

2019
CBR650R ABS
Oct 1, 2019
United Kingdom
However there are some that mount solidly, and are in a place and a design that while they may not help you if you slide down the road (in fact many studies show they actually cause more damage in a wreck) they can help make a simple gas station or garage tip over something that you can walk away from with just scratched sliders. Many newer riders like them because tip overs are a part of learning, or if you are shorter they can help you feel more confident.
Off topic but kinda on topic to compliment what Mike said above. My mate has a Street Triple and has the Triumph branded protection (mounts in two places on the frame) and they look bloody awesome because they essentially form part of the bike. You wouldn't even think they were there for that reason.

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Sudesh

2018
CBR650F ABS
650 Alumnus
Nov 21, 2017
Victoria, Australia
Riding Since
2010
Honestly once you start forgetting about being afraid of dropping the bike and more on the fact of sliding when passing your abilities either on track or wherever you fancy doing the speedy lifestyle, that's when a frame slider and l emphasis SLIDER comes into play. You dont want to lose your bike purely from a crack or damage to the frame hence the reason for them and it really is less for that slow speed tip. Hence why the Triumph one Rafe @Rafe showed isn't even sticking past the casings or limited fairings. Purely for protection of the bike and not the wallet so to speak. But l can confirm when riding on the road... they do become very nice leg rests after a long hills session ;)
 

wke002

2021
CB650R
Jun 10, 2021
Riding Since
1981
There are many bike forums which discourage from installing these slider, if really want to protect the bike is to install crash bar. Well, for Aesthetic reason and not been a GS/ADV bike, slider does look better than a crash bar, i have the R&G slider in all my previous bikes, my personal opinion is dropping the bike at stationery or during slow speed, if the frame did crack, than my insurance will come into play. think would be able to find minimalist crash bar, have yet to do shopping though.
 
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